Restore? Reform?

Lance Haverkamp
During the switch to the new site, a brother wrote a contribution for the site.  It was a complex series of doctrinal thoughts.  Rather then include his complex posting, I will summarize his concerns as as a question:

"How should we, as Christians trying to restore the beliefs (Theology) and practice (Liturgy) of the early church, respond and interact with Traditional congregations?"

From the high-liturgy and high-clergy congregations, like Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, to those much closer to our own practices, how do we best interact with them?

  • Do we fight against them?
  • Ignore them?
  • Embrace ecumenism?
What are your thoughts?

I think the first place you have to start is to realize that high-liturgy and high-clergy congregations believe they have the beliefs and the practice of the early church (passed down to them through apostlic tradition). So I think to begin, we have to realize that they seek what we seek---the faith and practice of the early church. They believe they have it (or close to it) and we believe we have it (or are closer to it).

Lane

Ignore them.
There are many different types of congregations
because there are many different types of people.
“He fashions [our] hearts individually.”  Psalm 33:15 NKJV
George Hoherd
Life Coach
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“It’s not what happens to you; it’s what you do about it.”
(W. Mitchell, burn victim, paraplegic and motivational speaker)

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Well,
I think it would clearly be wrong to allow them to continue doing what they are doing without explaining that they are wrong with today's modern church system and why. You have to also keep in mind whether or not this person has been born again or if they are just religious. Many people in today's modern church are not born again and are merely religious doing Christianity therefore, they wouldn't understand what you were trying to tell them anyways. There are some things that just are not understood without the supernatural working of God Almighty. I know without a doubt that unless God Himself showed me the things that He did then I would still be in system church. Just my 2 cents. I don't know whether or not my email will make it out there because I am still new to this so hopefully this is the right response email address.

Rick

Good thoughts, Rick.
I've found that most people, believers or not, are set in their ways
(except for students and young people who are still developing their world-view)
and not open to radical change, whether it's logical, biblical or not.
The best "change agent" is a long term relationship with a person and
most Christians aren't willing to pay that price; they want a quick fix.

Sooner or later you just figure out there are some people who don’t believe
in God and they can “prove” He doesn't exist, and there are some other people
who do believe in God and they can “prove” He does exist, and the argument
stopped being about God a long time ago and now it’s about who is smarter,
and honestly I don’t really care."
Donald Miller

My 2 cents,
George Hoherd
Life Coach
Cell: 719-570-9507
“Is any pleasure on earth as great as a circle of friends by a good fire?”
(C. S. Lewis)

George,
          I would have to agree with you. There comes a time when we can choose to hang back and try to fix everyone else and what they are doing, which is simply impossible, or we can press forward with our Lord and Master. At times I believe we are to concerned with what everyone else is doing and that's when we hear the Master's voice snap us back,"YOU FOLLOW ME"! We have to stop being so concerned with what other "professing Christians" are doing and start getting closer to our Lord ourselves and be alone with Him. If we hang back to long by trying to fix everything with theology and church history there might come a day when we just might hear these words,"Depart from me, I never knew you!" Some people might not agree with what I'm saying, but I am happy walking with my Lord myself.

Rick

Rick,
You are a wise young man (I assume you're younger than me.)
It took me a long time to learn what you've expressed.
As I look back on about 25 years of ministry and walking as a believer
I don't recall hardly anyone really changing through my arguing - though I have
been trained to do apologetics (I'm not saying there is not a time and a place for that.)
What changed people was me taking the time to walk with them through their
journey, "gracing" them and living an authentic Christian life in front of them.

Here's another favorite quote:

“The problem with Christian culture is that it sometimes

uses love as a commodity, like money. Some Christians

come across as if they are trying to sell you something –

a product. If you don’t buy into the product they withhold

their love, something that God never does with us.”

Donald Miller, Blue Like Jazz - [See Psalm 89:30-33.]


Blessings,

George Hoherd
Life Coach
Cell: 719-570-9507
“Is any pleasure on earth as great as a circle of friends by a good fire?”
(C. S. Lewis)


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George Hoherd
Life Coach - Cell: 719-570-9507
“Is any pleasure on earth as great as a circle of friends by a good fire?”
(C. S. Lewis)

Cool-looking forward to connecting.


From: "strangertothisworld" <wmichaelclark777@gmail.com>
To: hoherds@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 9:09:31 PM
Subject: [springschurch.net] Re: Restore? Reform?

Thanks, George!  Lord willing, I'll be there.
Michael

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